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>> president trump: i think chris cuomo was so out-of-control that i would not have wanted to see a weapon in his hands. i guess his fist is not a weapon. or he would have done something. he talked about it but he didn't do anything. i think chris cuomo was very much out of control, actually. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: he was a guy who works for me, who really didn't have a clue. he worked for 11 days. he made terrible statements and judgments and everything to people who worked in the office. i think you heard, mercedes schlapp talked about in great detail. he didn't support me at the beginning. he was with somebody else. then he went to somebody else. and he only supported me after it was a foregone conclusion that i was going to win. i'm not a fan of his, i haven't been for a long time.
i think anthony is really somebody that is very much out of control. he doesn't have what it takes. he really doesn't. he wanted to come back into the administration for the last five months. begging me to come back in. i said, "i can't take you in, i'm sorry." i said, "anthony, i'm sorry, i can't do that." he's got to stop all those phone calls. "too many calls, anthony." i wouldn't take his call and lo and behold, he feels differently. differently. but anthony was upset because he wanted certain things, to come back to the administration. as you remember better than i do, he was a disaster. >> reporter: [indistinct question]
>> president trump: we have tremendous plastics coming over from asian and china. plastics are floating over in the ocean, and various oceans, from other places. plastics are fine, but you have to know what to do with them. other countries are not taking care of their plastics. they haven't for a long time. the plastic we are getting is floating across the ocean from other places, including china. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> president trump: i am convinced that mitch wants to do something. mitch mcconnell is a good man. he wants to do something. i think he wants to do it very strongly. he wants background checks, and i do, too. i think a lot of republicans do. i don't know, frankly, that the democrats will get us there. but i spoken with a senator, we have a good conversation. we will see what happens.
mitch, from my standpoint, i would like to see meaningful background checks. i think something will happen. it's very simple -- there is nobody more pro-second amendment than donald trump. but i don't want guns in the hands of a lunatic or a maniac. i think if we did proper background checks you could prevent that. >> reporter: do you really think the clintons are involved in jeffrey epstein's death? >> president trump: i have no idea. i know he was on his plane 27 27 times but he said he was on it four times. he was a good friend of epstein. he was on the plane 27 or 28 times. so why did he say four times? the question you have to ask, did bill clinton go to the island? because epstein had an island. that was not a good place, as i understand it. i was never there. so you have to ask, did bill clinton go to the island? that the question. if you find that out, you are
going to know a lot. thank you very much, everybody. >> harris: a lot there from the president of the united states as he leaves an airport in central new jersey to be headed to pennsylvania for an event there. as he touched on the hong kong, which is breaking off in the news right now, he also ended there with background checks following the shootings in ohio and el paso. let's just stop on that for just a moment. he indicated that he still wants meaningful background checks for applicants and gun owners. i think mitch mcconnell wants to look at that, as well. dagen, you and i were talking -- senator mcconnell has already mentioned he would look at red flag legislation or background checks once the sun is back in session. was moved to the news that's breaking now in hong kong. here's with the president had to say about the protests there. mainly the one you are looking at right now at the main airport in hong kong, where protesters
have all been halted. any travel in and out of that airport. the president says, "that hong kong thing is a very tough situation. i hope it works out for everybody. liberty, including china. i hope nobody gets hurt. i hope nobody gets killed." the president on the situation breaking off in hong kong. senior foreign affairs correspondent greg palkot is live for us from london with more on this. greg? >> harris, we've been on the ground in hong kong and seen protests in a range of locations in that city state run by china. but never has it been at this critical strategic economic nexus of the airport. the airport is the eighth busiest passenger airport in the world, the first busiest in terms of cargo. the activists that have been calling for looser ties with beijing, in fact, democracy in this area that has been run by beijing for the last couple of
decades now. they've targeted those location with great economic importance. they've been there for about five days. but yesterday we saw about 5,000 sitting in. mostly peaceful, you have to say. in fact, they shut the place down without any calamity. but a lot of economic calamities and 200 flights were affected. 200,000 passengers use that place every day. many of them were impacted today. we are seeing something different. by the end of the day, they were sitting in once again, and once again disrupting flights. as many as 100, maybe 150 flights were impacted. riot police moved in. the police moved into the outside of the terminal. they arrested and targeted some of possible ringleaders of the protesters. and they tried to move in. these activists, dressed in black, or have their own armor, fought back. we saw a real clashes with police according to the folks on
the ground, firing pepper spray at the crowd, using their batons. the activists fighting back. we watched a long extended sequence where it seems like one group has circled and then tied up what is believed to be either an undercover police officer or one of the mob that has been used by the authorities to target the writers. we've been watching almost a lynching playing out for the past 45 minutes, in real time. the person is alive, obviously. but he's being targeted by this group. earlier today, harris, we heard from the hong kong chief executive, terry lam. she's one of the car targets of this. it was her extradition law proposal several months ago that started this whole thing. the demand for her to drop that extradition law, seen as a way of china reaching and further into the heart of hong kong, which is supposed to be one country separate from the other country of mainland china.
today she is saying -- and i will read you a quote from what she said -- this is a dangerous situation. she is saying, "more violence will push hong kong down the path of no return." maybe we are seeing that right now, the path of no return. very importantly, though, we are hearing that she also did not give any more concession, which is what the activists want. again, we have seen riot police at the airport trying to clear the terminal. but we've seen them pulled back, too. basically feeling in their mission. >> melissa: greg, this melissa francis. can i ask you question here? i know you went through some of those statistics. we are talking about 1100 flights per day going through this hub. 120 airlines, 75 million passengers per year. it's important to note, as our viewers are looking at this picture, as it gets increasingly chaotic, that it's midnight in hong kong. this is the middle of the night when we are seeing this.
yesterday when we were going off the air on fox business, at 5:00 p.m., over in hong kong, they told us the airport was going to be open and they had everything under control. at the time i had my doubts about that. what happened? between that time, that they thought they had it under control and it then turned into even more chaos today than it was yesterday? >> melissa, basically the airport is closed down from 1:00 a.m. to 6:00 a.m. that's what happened yesterday. it was shut down and many of the activists either had left or decided to hang in but in a low-key way. they remained. we watch the departure and arrival board. in fact, there were planes arriving, but by the afternoon the numbers of protesters arriving grew larger and larger. it was 5,000 yesterday. we are certainly in the thousands today. they basically stopped a departure, by about midafternoon. at least 100 flights, maybe 150
flights canceled today, for the second day. you've hit it, melissa. the importance of hong kong as a financial hub, as a conduit for outside money to go into china, to lubricate the massive economy. especially at a time when china is duking it out with the united states on trade matters. it is so critical now. to disrupt this airport, again, a major passenger and cargo airport, is important. again, we are approaching a time when, in fact, we should at 1:00 a.m. -- that's 1:00 p.m. eastern time -- the airports should be closed down for activities. maybe that's what the police and right police were trying to do come to clear the place out by that time. but we are seeing a very different mood at that airport then we saw last night. may be a sign that there is more trouble to come. melissa, harris? >> harris: we will come back to you as the news warrants. we are watching the situation
very carefully. i want to bring in policy analyst for the heritage foundation's asian study center. olivia, i'm looking back at my notes just to remind everybody that all this was set off by proposed extradition legislation that, if passed, would have allowed some suspects to be sent to china from hong kong. critics say they could face possible torture and unfair trial. that's what this battle is about. you heard melissa talking about it being one country, two systems. that's what hong kong understood. they think that's in question now. >> the proposed extradition law really just sparks and energy among hong kongers that didn't seem to be there before. this is brought by the broader idea for them to see freedom flourish over the long-term. i think they are questioning whether they will have to potentially surrender their freedom to beijing, and of when
hong kong was supposed to be returned to beijing. i think people are worried that with this extradition law and other signs, that maybe beijing is looking to interfere a lot sooner than we originally thought. >> harris: interesting. we had a previous guest on "america's newsroom" who was talking about potentially -- maybe he's been a few places, too. potentially there being, in a reporting, some chinese -- i don't know if they were military or police, whatever they are, on the ground. are you hearing something like that? that would change the scope of things, too. or no? >> there have been reports over the last two days and weeks that there are chinese officials on the border who have been doing test drills that look like it would be an effort to counter protesters. whether it's a warning shot or a foretelling of what's to come, i think that remains to be seen. but it's clear that nobody wants to have a tiananmen square repeat on our hands,
particularly not in an area where you have so many people who have enjoyed freedom for so many years. and where you have businessmen, both international businessmen and women and also hong kong hos themselves come into enjoying freedom that would not be there if that crackdown took place. >> harris: i will have the soft melissa francis. before then, you talk about the safety of people on the ground. the president said moments ago as he was about to board marine one tied to an event in pennsylvania, he said, "hong kong things are a very tough situation. i hope it works out for everybody. liberty, including china. i hope nobody gets hurt. i hope nobody gets killed." how does the presence of chinese officials or others complicate this matter? >> it's a fairly complicated and it begs the question of what the
u.s. should do. i think the u.s. needs to continue to support those protesters who are acting in a peaceful manner. advocating for freedom in hong kong. but also be unequivocal in our condemnation of violence both from protesters but also principally and most importantly any violence that might emanate from beijing. >> melissa: olivia, this is melissa francis. i know within the chinese media there's been criticism of the u.s., in part for sparking this. how do they make that argument? >> china loves to blame the u.s. for any sort of unrest that takes place. it's part of great power politics, blaming the other sid side. i think overall we need to recognize this as a movement that has been led by hong kong for hong kong and for freedom. that's where it rests. this is a leaderless protest movement, in that it's been sparked through social media and otherwise.
the people involved and moving in a peaceful manner, those are the ones who are looking to see potential future reform in hong kong. one that would restore the ear of the hong kong authorities, giving them a desire to actually listen and hear what hong kong wants for the future. >> harris: olivia enos, policy analyst, asian study center, heritage foundation. thank you very much for your time and expertise today. good to see you. >> thank you for having me. >> harris: we started in breaking news and our guest in the center seat is very special. he's the lieutenant governor, dan patrick, of the great state of texas. good to see you. >> dan: is great to be here. >> harris: i want to lean on your expertise. you heard olivia enos talking about how the united states to get involved. what that would look like. what are your thoughts? >> dan: a couple of things come to mind. i've been to both hong kong and mainland china. it's been several years ago. you are in one country where you
really feel free, in the city of hong kong. the new go to the mainland and you realize it's totally different. it's a clash of people who love freedom and liberty. we should or member this in our upcoming election, because a lot of our current talk is about liberty and the freedom the people have. no one should be surprised at what's happening. this was inevitable. there was going to be a point where freedom came up against communism, and that's where we are. he is an interesting point, as i'm watching this. when you go down to our border, we have had signs, huge signs in chinese on our border. when people come across the border illegally, there are signs in spanish and chinese. that's how many people he had come in from china. we believe most of these are either the government -- they are young people, well educated for the most part. how do we get from china to mexico into texas? coming from families trying to
get their kids to america. i think we will see bigger numbers of these families trying to get there young college students from don't like to. >> melissa: what's the best that hong kong hope for out of this? the idea that they've been banking on this hand over a period in 2047. it seems like this was the situation that was going to ignite. what's the best they can hope for? would china released their grip? >> dan: china won't release their grip. that's not who they are. the best these young protesters can hope for is that they're not dragged to the mainland and put in jail and never see the jay can pay that's the best we can hope for. we are watching history there. back to reagan and the falling of the wall, this is the moment in history right now. history is interesting. we always think when we look back in history that we knew the outcome. but we didn't. >> melissa: very true. >> dan: it's just events in the context of the time you're
in. we don't know where this is going to end, but it's not going to end well for freedom and liberty in hong kong. >> harris: dagen, i know you've been taking a close look at the trade talks that have gone on. the irony come if you will -- because china is far apart from what's playing out in terms of talking trade, we saw an ease back. a delay, if you will, some of these tariffs for goods. perhaps just a sign that we really wanted to talk, so on and so forth. but this complicates matters. >> dagen: it is telling that basically the delay on those tariffs -- we are talking about instead of going into effect september 1st, the additional 10% tariffs on $300 billion in imported goods. they get delayed on many major items and categories. smartphones, laptops, toys and other items until september 15th. i think the timing is important,
here. that we are trying to calm the waters, if you will, in terms of the trade negotiations. but there is a why now in relation to these protest that we should point out. hong kong, the police force, a former deputy commissioner of the police force returned to the force in recent days. that's when the tactics changed. he is considered a kind of a tough, a hard-liner protesters. you have police charged protesters and subway stations, hitting them with billy clubs, blasting pepper balls as they fell down escalators. there was another protest in another subway station. again, the "why" now is they are bringing out of retirement and former officer known to support hard-line crackdowns on protesters. something has got to give in
relation to that. the police force apparently is divided about the tactics. you also have to factor in that there is a garrison from the people's liberation army out of china that is on the ground in hong kong. >> harris: i don't know if you can tell this, and i wanted to get eyes on the screen. is this live right now? this situation right now has gotten decidedly more chaotic as we've been sitting here. there were hardly any people in the picture on the left side of your screen just a few moments ago, and this is the airport that they hope to take back for activities, we are told, and about 40 minutes. >> melissa: they hope to close it. they were going to clear it. he closes for the night at 1:00 >> harris: grew quickly, leslie marshall, we haven't heard from you. before go to break, we don't have much time but we will get you on the flip side. what are your thoughts? >> leslie: when you have people living under a certain type of government structure, and even having a certain type of culture, for 100 years, and
he flipped that as they have in '97, this was expected. this was expected to happen. i'm not surprised, and sadly they want democracy but they won't get it. china won't let go of its grip. >> harris: "outnumbered" all over the breaking news. keep watching. with accident forgiveness they guarantee your rates won't go up just because of an accident. smart kid. indeed. are you in good hands? that's ensure max protein, with high protein and 1 gram sugar. it's a sit-up, banana! bend at the waist! i'm tryin'! keep it up. you'll get there. whoa-hoa-hoa! 30 grams of protein, and one gram of sugar. ensure max protein.
>> melissa: we want to go back to this breaking news in hong kong, and this situation that is increasingly chaotic. you want to bring in senior foreign affairs correspond greg palkot live in london watching all this development. greg, the editor in chief of the chinese and english editions of the goebel times, treating "it's hope that hong kong can restore order by itself. that's the best end. if the development of the situation suggests there is no such hope, beijing's intervention will be inevitable. it's a hard choice, but once it
becomes the decision, it will be a firm one." in other words, you don't want the chinese authorities to come in and crackdown. it does look a little bit calmer they are on the screen now. is that where hong kong is headed? what would that mean? >> that's completely possible, melissa. we should listen to the global times very closely. that's one of the state arms of the media in china. what they say is what beijing says. yes, they are clearly losing their patients. we've heard from chief executive of hong kong, carrie lam, today. she said -- i think this is a telling phrase, we've never heard this phrase from her before -- "we are at a point of no return." we are directly from the beijing authority saying we are approaching a point of terrorism." i think it's a decision now by the beijing government, when, how, if they intercede. remember, this has been going on for ten weeks now. we sought up close at the
midpoint of that. we saw peaceful marches, millions of people. we saw tactical guerrilla style warfare by these activists. we saw peaceful sit in at this airport, which went to about 200 flights. today we've seen real clashes. there are tough guys on the activist side. they wear their black t-shirts, they are armed with batons. they are ready to do battle. we watch, in fact, as one individual we believed to be either an undercover policeman e civilian guys that the authorities sic on the protesters while the protesters took him and cornered him. just in the past couple of minutes we seen him carried away and being put by emergency services into an ambulance. right now we are looking at a standoff. we're looking at an attempt by the beijing authorities to clear
-- the hong kong authorities -- to clear this airport. so far, not successful, melissa. >> melissa: for our viewers -- i hate to put on the spot, but how are we getting this feed? this live video? obviously folks in hong kong while the rest of the world to see what's going on. i imagine china does not. so how are we getting these pictures? >> it's a combination -- there is an international media, they've converged on this area. they are sending out to various satellite and computer signals, the way we do when we are on the ground covering this. but you bring up a very important point, melissa. when we are in hong kong, and we can watch, and the citizens of hong kong and watch, but it's blacked out completely in china. they are getting no word about this. that is something that beijing, it's important to try and do. to try and localize this. as we've been seeing, they have been patient up to a point. they know they interceded with
police, with riot police. we've seen images in the last couple days of what is called the people's liberation police. that's like a right police armed, the people's liberation army. that's the chinese army staging in a city called shands and right next to hong kong. just in the fast two days. they could move in. there are barracks of the people's liberation army inside hong kong itself. for the public relations disaster, that would entail as well as the loss of life, possible. certainly the clashes and injuries are probable. they would result in something like that. that would be at big task. beijing has been waiting on this for about ten weeks. they certainly are not moving with the concessions. they might have to move another way, melissa. >> harris: you talk about the restraint some of these officials on the ground have shown. i'm looking back through, i had to bring them do some searching. since june 9th, they have arrested 700 protesters.
part of the discussion on the crouch down at couch, we don't know what happens with those people. traditionally we know they can be armed, tortured, so on and so forth. but the massive march that happened, it drew more than 1 million people. they walked away with hundreds of protesters. not sure what the situation is with them now. we know police have used 1800 tear gas grenades against crowds so far. at least 139 law enforcement officers have been injured in these clashes, too. we were talking about whether or not or when beijing would get involved in earnest. that certainly changes things on the ground. >> certainly, the arrests have been a talking point for the protesters. if you are charged with rioting and you are found guilty of writing, you could get thrown into a jail for ten years. when we were on the ground in hong kong a few weeks back, we spoke to a fellow named joshua bolling. amazing guy pre24 years old
he started protesting when he was 17. he is fearless. he had just been released from prison. we have been seeing him out involved in these, as well. the important thing to note for our viewers, melissa and harris, is that there are divisions in the ranks on both sides. there are people in hong kong who are upset about china that want a peaceful move forward, some want kind of a sit-in approach. there are violent elements. there seems to be division of the other side, too. that beijing should crack down and finish this off, or take a wait-and-see approach. seems to be coming to a bit of a head right now. >> harris: you see this around the world, freedom pressed up against whatever the regime is. there is a first for some among them just to get back to peace so they can go back to their jobs and their kids can go to school and they don't feel like they can win victory at this point. some people feel victory is at hand. he rewatch that back and forth. greg palkot, we are all over the story this hour. we lean on you as we can. thank you very much, we'll be
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spew on the hong kong international airport right now on your screen to the left, things were quite chaotic just moments ago there. they are clearing out. here's what's happening. police they are trying to quell the growing masses who are protesting against china, and what they understand to be a future loss of freedom and a handoff that is set to take place in the next few months. they are concerned because there has been legislation put a foot that would say anyone in hong kong can be extradited to beijing forces mrs. crimes, as a suspect for a number of reasons. we know china choices people in prisons. we know that. obviously hong kong is worried about this, and their resident player less. that way it's been playing out since the beginning of june has been at times violent. i want to bring in former trump state department senior advisor,
christian whiton, who joins us by phone. christian, how much of this was predicted, and what to be due today and tomorrow as the united states? >> i think the united states -- and you seem very strong comments from secretary pompeo and others -- should side unequivocally with the protesters. obviously violent clashes like the ones we are seeing now at the airport get the most coverage. overwhelmingly, this is a peaceful movement that involves people, not just students at the vanguard, but people from all walks of life. bankers, silver servants, others who are frankly quite risk-averse and not political. i think it's important for the united states to stand with these people who are fighting for their freedom. also, this touches on other issues with the u.s. ultimately this is being caused by beijing not adhering to its international agreements. it is breaking the declaration it made with great britain, to hand over hong kong in 1997,
breaking the basic law with promise of universal suffrage to hong kong. i think we should stand with them. >> harris: do you think it will change based on history and knowledge you have? is supposed be one country, two lanes, if you will? hong kong and have some the liberties that people living in communist china could not. if that starts to devolve, and if it will, how does that change our relationships with both? >> hong kong is mostly western city. it was on british rule for more than a century the one country to systems concept that was worked out between margaret thatcher's government and the chinese was that basically hong kong gets to keep its economic and political freedoms. that's why beijing can't leave this well enough alone, they been eroding it slowly. congress decided they have to defend freedom now or it's gone
forever. if the chinese invade, if they sent in the army, it's more likely innovation by civilian police. large numbers in shenzhen. i was just in hong kong, we would have to take action in the customs union from china. that would have big, big impact on beijing and china already suffering a loss of foreign investment. >> melissa: this is a really dicey -- christian, this is melissa francis, by the way -- this is a really dicey situation for the president. without question is already being criticized for any sort of language he uses commenting on this. there is one group saying that he needs to say it in very forceful terms, that he stands with the people of hong kong as they fight for their freedom and for their own democracy and will over the future. at the same time, it is part of
china. and he is in this situation raise trying to negotiate with china over all these other things, as well. so it's a difficult time to stand up and make a statement on the part of those fighting for freedom in hong kong. how do you navigate this? >> you make a great point, melissa. the president is that of a country and the interests are overwhelmingly economic insecurity-related. he's not running a human rights ngo, after all. but he has been strong in standing up for those struggling for democracy around the world. he stood up for iranians, who stood up for their government. it's clear the trains are trying to wait out president trump. they want a different president in the next election. they think they will get one, i think they are wrong. regardless, there's been a sea change in washington. if you look at congress, there's very strong support for what
president trump has done, being tough on china and trades. when i was pleading with pro-democracy leaders in hong kong the week before last, there is tremendous support for the united states. you see people raving waving an flags. it's clear we are not going to get a trade deal because they are not negotiating. it's easier and easier for the president to decide. >> melissa: christian whiten, thank you. we appreciate your time. we are going to squeeze in a quick break as we watch this breaking news unfold. we will be right back on the other side. stay close. >> tech: at safelite autoglass,
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>> melissa: fox news alert as protests play out in hong kong. back home, a short time ago, president trump departing for a speech in pennsylvania and defending his administration's new rules to deny green cards to immigrants receiving public assistance. listen. >> it's not fair to have the american taxpayer paying for people to come into the united states. we've done is institute what was
placed many, many years ago, at our founding. we are just reinstituting it. i think it's long overdue. i'm tired of seeing our taxpayers paying for people to come into the country and immediately go onto welfare and various other things. though i think we're doing it r. >> melissa: 2020 contender kamala harris and a chorus of democrats not seeing it that way at all. >> it's just an ongoing campaign of his. to vilify a whole group of people. he is criminalizing people, innocent people. he is locking babies up in cages. he has a policy of separating children from their parents in the name of border security. >> melissa: texas lieutenant governor dan patrick is on the couch with us today. how do your constituents see this? there's a big distance between what the president said and what kamala harris said. >> dan: texas is coded by the
present as you watch this unfold, sitting on the couch with you, you really so important to american dream is, and freedom, and by people want to come here. the welfare system was to be a safety net. not a reason to come to america. the people that have come to this country, ellis island and cents, came here for the american dream. when i see kamala harris and the democrats on stage, they are reeling trying to destroy the american dream. i think the people are seeing it. i love the american dream. people work their way through school. they create something and they want to give us their family, so their family can be better than they were. you start with nothing, you never get anything. you need anything because the cover gives you anything. you have nothing to leave. that's not the american experience. that's not the american story. you see playing out. those people in hong kong, this is like the jewish families
tried to get their children out of germany when they knew the end was coming. you will see these chinese families, the wealthy ones who can afford it, trying to get their kids to america. like cuba, get your family to america. this is the american story. this is not a socialist country. this is not a place that kamala harris gets to carve out for the future or anyone else. this is the american story and it's a great juxtaposition. >> melissa: i'm betting leslie disagrees. >> i saw you cringing there. >> leslie: cringing a bit. you are talking about over 300,000 people affected. you are talking about legal challenges, and when they have two so far up from the aclu, the attorney general here in the state of new york. these people have come here illegally. if you remember, in the past there have been people on the left, especially, that have said the president doesn't like mexicans, brown people, people of color. when he talked about, "mexico doesn't send us their best," he didn't say illegals. the people say he meant illegals. this is not about illegals, it's about people who have come the
right way. we always think of the government programs as a handout, food stamps, welfare, but disability benefits are under that umbrella as well. if you come to this country because somebody in california who owns a winery or a farm has dangled the carrot of opportunity and you want to feed your family, and you come here legally and get a job and now you've lost a job or you become disabled, you are treated as a second-class citizen because you have a green card? you can you legally and should be, i believe, entitled to any of the benefits. >> dagen: i want to add one thing. the question is, why now? when you have 1.4 million more jobs and unemployed people in this country. you will make it more complicated for somebody to get a green card for an illegal immigrant to get a green card? we already have rules in place that you have to prove you have enough income to prevent you from becoming dependent on state programs. this complicates it. this is an 837-page rule to
apply more restrictions on who can come here. we've already, in this most recent year, we have denied visas on the grounds for people not becoming dependent on public services. more than 5500 denial so far. it begs the question of why now? why these additional restrictions? >> melissa: a lot more to talk about on the other side. moments ago president trump expressing strong support for new gun-control measures in the wake of two mass shootings. lieutenant governor dan patrick on that just ahead. ♪ ok everyone! our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition for strength and energy! whoo-hoo! great-tasting ensure. with nine grams of protein and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. ensure, for strength and energy. and twenty-six vitamins and minerals. too many people a restless night's sleep. there's a better choice. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid
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>> melissa: a short time of go president trump to party for pennsylvania and expressing strong support for new gun control measures in the midst of two mass shootings. here's the president. >> i'm convinced that mitch wants to do something. i've talked to mitch mcconnell. he's a good man, he wants to do something. i think very strongly he wants to do background checks. i do, too. i think a lot of republicans do. i don't know, frankly, that the democrats will get us there. but i spoke with a senator, we had a good conversation. we will see what happens. but i believe in marriage, and i can tell you from my standpoint that i would like to see
meaningful background checks. >> melissa: what you think? do something get done? >> dan: i hope they will focus on this issue. the president wants to sit down i protect secondment rights and keep guns out of the hands of people who have serious mental illness. criminals, assassins, shooters. i'm an nra supported. they've always supported me. i agree with all of their issues. but today, 80% of all people who buy guns have a background check. 20 percent do not. half of those are families, and we should always let family sold their guns for each other were given guns to each other. there's about 10% on the private market that are able to sell to strangers. those strangers should be the people we don't want to have guns. >> melissa: is that enough, if you just do that? >> dan: if you look at the slice of 10% of people who don't have background checks, the u.s. bureau of statistics says that 80% of the crimes, when they get
the gun, are traced back to those who didn't have a background check. so the background checks work. he will keep guns out of the hands of everyone in southeast shootings here's what the nra and i and everyone else is concerned about, and we see is today -- we don't want a national registry. everything, melissa, is by paper. there's no computer -- >> melissa: what about certain types of weapons people feel there's no reason to have? >> dan: we don't need to ban weapons. in sutherland springs, people forget, when that shooter had this ar-15, who took him on? and nra member with an ar-15 ad maybe save the lives of more people. >> dagen: and that was a failure of the information. that gentleman had -- the air force did not resort that to the background check system. because he had been -- it was a court-martial related to domestic violence. again, that was a failure of government.
congress has -- >> dan: john cornyn -- >> dagen: that's one move under the trump administration that has, in addition to a ban on bum socks. so things have happened. >> melissa: let's get to leslie. >> leslie: politico had a poll that republican support certain weapons, specifically assault weapons, of being banned. an overwhelming majority of bipartisan support for universal background checks and not having guns in the hands of those who have mental issues. the president saying this, i find it hard to believe him. to find that he's genuine. because he rolled back something that obama had put in place that kept guns out of the hands of those that had mental illness. that, i believe, was to apc nra. are we going to undo something? >> dagen: if you've been in it in institution, you can't get a gun. >> dan: is on the form
if you just stop strangers from selling guns to strangers, you don't know who they are, that's a small piece but it leads to a lot of crime. that will also take care of the red flag issues. >> melissa: so you don't think you need something separate on red flag -- >> dan: if you go to google health and safety 573, we already have the model for red flags in the country. that's why it i didn't want to expand it. we allow people to swear out a warrant to take a gun from someone they think is dangerous. we allowed the police, if you think someone is seriously mentally ill, to take the gun at the moment they have them or even arrest them. we don't need to expand this to where we have a modern version of a witch hunt. i don't like that neighbor, i don't like that guy who worked with me. i met at my ex-husband , they shouldn't have gun. we don't want a mob rule to decide who gets a gun or not. we have that model in texas for the health & safety code 573, that's the model congress should follow and expand the background checks on that strange issue.
we could clean up a lot. >> leslie: because you are lieutenant burnett of texas and there are so many guns in texas, i've seen on mine over and over a question specifically in el paso. how come so many people have conceal and carry weren't able to help or to prevent what happened? in other words, if more guns makes a safer, how come not just in el paso but in texas, we are not seeing that? >> dan: remember, in misery last week we had an off-duty firemen who stopped someone. i went to the hospital and visited with a lot of these people. i've talked a lot enforcement. that guy started shooting in the parking lot, people started to run. nobody did confront him. it was over very quickly. i'm sure there were people there with concealed carry. but there was not a confrontation at that point. but guns make us safer. you see what's happening in china? >> leslie: not if people run. >> dan: know, when you have a concealed carry you try to get covered first. you learn if you take an nra
course. you don't run for the gun, you run for shelter and you shoot. we are seeing what's happening when the public doesn't have guns. the government takes over. >> melissa: a very public issue. thank you, lieutenant governor dan patrick, being here on the show. we are back noon tomorrow. for now, he's harris. >> harris: we will move seamlessly to the breaking news because we are still following violence at hong kong's international airport. right police descending on pro-democracy protesters. president trump weighing in on the chaos and just the last little while. this is "outnumbered overtime." i'm harris faulkner. those right police armed with batons and pepper spray clashing with protesters, crippling one of the world's busiest airports for a second day. demonstrators barricading customs checkpoints and taking over terminals. beijing calling the protests "terrorism." president trump saying he hopes no one gets hurt or killed. >> it's a very tricky situation. i think it'll work out. i hope it works